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Old Aug 27 2013, 10:26 PM   #13021
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This may have been covered all ready but, Has the Eagle L mold gone OOP Dave? Lots of talk on face book. Thank You
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Old Aug 28 2013, 08:49 AM   #13022
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Can you give me a little history behind the addition of beads to certain molds? I can't help but notice that most of the more stable to over-stable discs have a bead on the underside of the wing. I also know that during the 80's and 90's durability of discs was a huge issue. Were these beads developed to add stability to discs, or were they developed as a durability enhancement? Also, where did the idea come from?
The bead was developed to add durability. A secondary effect on some discs was to add a little high speed stability in some models. It was an original idea starting with the Classic Roc. We noticed the sharp bottom of the XD and Aviar tended to fray quickly and feel sharp so we added the bead to make the bottom less sharp and less fray prone.
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Old Aug 28 2013, 08:50 AM   #13023
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This may have been covered all ready but, Has the Eagle L mold gone OOP Dave? Lots of talk on face book. Thank You
The Eagle L is not in main distribution, but is/can be available in the Factory Store.
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Old Sep 03 2013, 07:49 PM   #13024
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Hi Dave. Can you tell us about the newly approved disc, the NOVA please? 21.3 diameter and legal to 176, but the height is really high. Is it a putter and an overmold?
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Old Sep 05 2013, 03:26 PM   #13025
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Hi Dave. Can you tell us about the newly approved disc, the NOVA please? 21.3 diameter and legal to 176, but the height is really high. Is it a putter and an overmold?
Hi Joe,

I don't know what they measure for height, but if they got the early ones, they were a little domier than what we are running now. I think there are some pictures out on line somewhere. Hero Discs might even have some for sale this weekend.

Basically, they are an overmold no bead Aviar putter. It feels like a big bead in the hand and flies like a big bead high speed, but doesn't have near the fade of a big bead. Probably less fade than a P&A.

The material is a tough grippy Pro like driver Pro, but grippier and softer on the rim. Overall the Nova has about the same flex as the Atlas. It is a very straight flyer like the Atlas too.
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Old Sep 05 2013, 08:02 PM   #13026
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Hi Joe,

I don't know what they measure for height, but if they got the early ones, they were a little domier than what we are running now. I think there are some pictures out on line somewhere. Hero Discs might even have some for sale this weekend.

Basically, they are an overmold no bead Aviar putter. It feels like a big bead in the hand and flies like a big bead high speed, but doesn't have near the fade of a big bead. Probably less fade than a P&A.

The material is a tough grippy Pro like driver Pro, but grippier and softer on the rim. Overall the Nova has about the same flex as the Atlas. It is a very straight flyer like the Atlas too.
Sweet! I'll review it when I can try it out. Thanks.
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Old Sep 12 2013, 01:21 PM   #13027
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I threw and putted mine yesterday. Yellow plate with purple rim, 171g. Definitely flew where I pointed it. Not really BB Aviar stability but straight. the plate is stiff and the rim is firm but really grippy. The profile looks almost like an Aviar P&A no bead. It putted good but dropped really fast in no wind. Once I got used to that, it went really straight and stuck well in the chains. For me, this may make a better putter than upshot disc. Throws nice and clean off the tee with a neutral flight.

I would love to see a combo of flexy Champion flight plate with R-Pro soft tacky rim for putting!!!
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Old Feb 10 2014, 01:22 PM   #13028
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Hey Dave,

I asked the folks on facebook abou this one. It's a zephyr mold with thumbtrac and NO patent pending on the "Made in u.s.a." side. My question is this; I bought this from a guy in Toronto, Canada. Was the Zephyr ever called something different in the past? the stamp is what's throwing me off. it's not an event stamp as far as I can tell and it's not a club stamp as far as I can tell...
Just trying to figure out what I have, not discover the mona lisa of disc golf discs...







the Stamp says "Invader" and "by Innova" on the other side, in case its not readily viewable.
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Old Feb 13 2014, 03:43 PM   #13029
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This was probably just a custom hot stamp. The Zephyr was always the Zephyr.
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Old Feb 14 2014, 11:55 AM   #13030
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This was probably just a custom hot stamp. The Zephyr was always the Zephyr.
thank you good sir.
the stamp just threw me way off I guess
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Old Apr 25 2014, 10:59 PM   #13031
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Lightbulb " Wedge "

Dave, I have a friend who has this disc.
I am trying to help him with some history.
He did get it from Ed a long time ago.
He believes that Ed called it a " Wedge "
No tooling on bottom.
No stamp on top.
Plastic feels much slicker than normal DX.
Just the number 3 in permenant marker top and bottom.
Can you help us out ?
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Old Apr 26 2014, 10:59 AM   #13032
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Hey Big Easy,

I really can't tell from the picture, but it could be an old Aero, if it is 180 size diameter as the shape and sprue area, (center bottom) look like it. Otherwise it could be a Wally Wedge if is it a smaller diameter. 86 mold is a possibility too if it is smaller diameter. I am not familiar with the sprue are on either of those. A smaller diameter yet could be a Bullet or Lazer.
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Old Apr 28 2014, 03:29 AM   #13033
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Dave, I like throwing 8 speed discs as my main drivers, Innova only have 2 in that speed and only made in dx. Any future plans on making more speed 8 discs?
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Old Apr 28 2014, 10:27 AM   #13034
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Yes, we are working on one now. If everything works out well, it should be ready in a month or so.
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Old Apr 28 2014, 12:21 PM   #13035
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Yes, we are working on one now. If everything works out well, it should be ready in a month or so.
Yes, even older guys get excited over something so simple as a new disc, thanks a lot Dave, any chance of getting any star archangels
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Old Apr 28 2014, 11:50 PM   #13036
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Hey Big Easy,

I really can't tell from the picture, but it could be an old Aero, if it is 180 size diameter as the shape and sprue area, (center bottom) look like it. Otherwise it could be a Wally Wedge if is it a smaller diameter. 86 mold is a possibility too if it is smaller diameter. I am not familiar with the sprue are on either of those. A smaller diameter yet could be a Bullet or Lazer.
Thanks Dave I don't have the disc in my possesion.
Looks taller than an eagle or aero.
I will try and get a diameter.
Appreciate your imput.
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Old Apr 30 2014, 08:48 AM   #13037
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Yes, even older guys get excited over something so simple as a new disc, thanks a lot Dave, any chance of getting any star archangels

We've tried Star Archangels before. Unfortunately they flew way too stable to be call Archangels.
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Old May 10 2014, 03:35 PM   #13038
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Hiya Dave, thanks for all the great plastic, all innova bag here.

Was wondering if its true that the Deadalus has changed/tooled mold from the proto version, and if so when can we expect the normal release?

I noticed our new order of Star Katana's are extremely domey. Was curious since I remember the first couple of years they where very flat, especially that first year. Is this now the norm for those or did you guys have issues in production?

Thanks again for all your hard work.
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Old May 14 2014, 08:44 AM   #13039
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Hiya Dave, thanks for all the great plastic, all innova bag here.

Was wondering if its true that the Deadalus has changed/tooled mold from the proto version, and if so when can we expect the normal release?

I noticed our new order of Star Katana's are extremely domey. Was curious since I remember the first couple of years they where very flat, especially that first year. Is this now the norm for those or did you guys have issues in production?

Thanks again for all your hard work.
The Daedalus changed slightly from the proto. The nose was rounded slightly as we believed it was too sharp originally to feel comfortable in the hand. The proto run was a little more inconsistent than the main release, which should be today. The sharper the nose, and the wider the rim, the more inconsistent and nose sensitive a disc can be.

Star Katanas, as well as most distance drivers are subject to the plastic batches we have on hand at the time of molding. Even though it is "identical" plastic from the manufacturer, every batch can be slightly different from the previous batch and produce different molding results.
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Old May 28 2014, 03:06 AM   #13040
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dave, would you have any idea what the ratio of flat champ firebirds being produced to the more common domey versions?

i ask because even the new 12x champ firebirds (flat) are commanding somtimes twice the retail amount for what normally new champ plastic goes for. is it very difficult to keep the new champ firebirds flat? if it is true that multiple stamps flatten the discs maybe it would work out to somehome double, or even triple stamp the firebirds to ensure a nice flat top.

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Old May 29 2014, 09:58 AM   #13041
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dave, would you have any idea what the ratio of flat champ firebirds being produced to the more common domey versions?

i ask because even the new 12x champ firebirds (flat) are commanding somtimes twice the retail amount for what normally new champ plastic goes for. is it very difficult to keep the new champ firebirds flat? if it is true that multiple stamps flatten the discs maybe it would work out to somehome double, or even triple stamp the firebirds to ensure a nice flat top.

thanks for listening!
We can now make flat Firebirds in Champion, pretty much whenever we want. That being said, sometimes there is a difference in consumers minds between flat and super flat. The Pro Shop offers flat Champion Firebirds on an ongoing basis. No need to pay extra.
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Old Jul 06 2014, 08:30 PM   #13042
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dave, is there a release date for the teebird3 in champion plastic. great disc!
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Old Jul 08 2014, 01:04 PM   #13043
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dave, is there a release date for the teebird3 in champion plastic. great disc!
No plans yet for main release, but it will be in the Factory Store soon.
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Old Dec 20 2014, 10:58 AM   #13044
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hello again Dave, I am going to ask again very politely. Please please please please please please please make the polecat and sonic in Gstar and champ. I have a champ polecat and I absolutely love it. I have several gstar discs and I love them as well. I think gstar and lid like disks are a match made in heaven.

oh and I promised to ask about running them in XT as well.

thank you again for everything you have done for us and the sport we all love. happy holidays!

p.s. is the piranha mold still intact?
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Old Dec 23 2014, 10:14 AM   #13045
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hello again Dave, I am going to ask again very politely. Please please please please please please please make the polecat and sonic in Gstar and champ. I have a champ polecat and I absolutely love it. I have several gstar discs and I love them as well. I think gstar and lid like disks are a match made in heaven.

oh and I promised to ask about running them in XT as well.

thank you again for everything you have done for us and the sport we all love. happy holidays!

p.s. is the piranha mold still intact?
Piranha mold became the Birdie. We have made Champion Polecats and they were almost impossible to trim. We can try GStar Polecats at some point. Probably not going to do GStar Sonics, but we regularly make Sonics in Star and Champion. Most are sold by Hero Discs Usa.
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Old Jan 11 2015, 05:12 PM   #13046
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GStar polecats would be fantastic! Thanks!

EDIT: those sonics aren't golf weight and they are larger diameter. are we're talking about the same ones?

Second question: have you designed or produced a 21.7-22cm diameter disc with a polecat like rim? I have a zephyr but I'm interested in a roc sized disc.

Again thanks for your time and everything you do for us!

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We have run GStar Polecats. Ask for them at the factory store.
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Old Jan 28 2016, 05:51 PM   #13048
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Hi, I have a few pro destroyers that weigh 177-179g, and several Bosses at 177g on a postal scale is there a weight limit that shouldn't be sold? And if a buyer gets one of these what should we do. Thanks
If it is an accurate scale, and you know for sure they are over weight and unsold/unused you can return them for exchange. The weight limit with tolerance for a Destroyer is 176.85. Anything above that would not be legal for PDGA play. The weight limit with tolerance for the Boss would be 177.76. Anything over that would not be legal for PDGA play. Premium plastic is hygroscopic, which means they can absorb moisture and gain weight. This can be a gram or two. The safest way to ensure compliance is to buy discs marked 173 or 174. Storing discs in a low humidity environment may help too.

If you choose to sell these discs, which I don't advise, you should warn the buyers that these discs aren't legal for PDGA play. I realize that the vast majority of disc golf is not PDGA, but we would prefer to exchange the discs rather than have them out there potentially illegal.
Where is this 1% tolerance specified?
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This may have already been asked previously, but I'm new to using this forum.
I love shopping from F2, but it's DISCappointing when the driver I would like to purchase is not in the weight range I prefer (167g). Why are most discs sold in max weight? Thank you!
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Old Jan 01 2018, 05:54 PM   #13050
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sorry, I haven't followed this site for a while, but I am here now.

Most male players opt for the heaviest weight drivers because either they see the top pros throwing them or they think they will give them the best results.

It is true that the heavier the driver, the less variablility you will get in your drive. Heavier drivers damp out off axis torque better and are less affected by wind.

Heavier drivers penetrate through wind, (and through grass in the case of rollers).

Heavier drivers have less glide. Heavier drivers are harder to get up to speed.

Not all top pros throw the heaviest weights all the time. Paul Mcbeth and Philo both throw high sixites drivers regularly.

Bottom line: If you can throw your maximum distance with a heavy driver, you should probably use a heavy driver. If you can't, you should think about lighter weights.

Good form and lighter weights are an awesome combination.

But, to answer your question simply: heavier drivers are more popular.
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